it contains from his deposition back to 2005. >> the united states anti-doping agency says he was a drug cheat. part of the conspiracy by the u.s. postal service team. >> the totality of the evidence is overweming. you're looking at the bernie madoff of sport. he couldn't have done it alone. >> when money is involved, big money, then of course the cheats come as well. >> lance armstrong entered cycling as a brash young competitor. full of enthusiasm but limited in his all around ability. his monitor then was the australian race er phil anderso >> did he strike you in those days as a psych letter that could win the tour de france. >> for me, no. he wasn't particularly strong in those two areas. to me he didn't have what it took in those early years. >> lance armstrong was then, with the american motorola team. so too was steven swart. steven swart says that in 1995, when phil anderson had left the team, the riders complained that the european opponents were doping. >> did you talk with lance armstrong about the need to start using epo to be competitive? >> we had -- we had a discussion ab